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Old 06-27-2013, 10:23 PM
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This is one of those topics that are brought up on every site, on this thread I believe are some great explanations why places like wild rose and duckhill doesn't meet most standards. Also on the last page NateC has a great explanation on training in general.

http://www.retrievertraining.net/for...Wildrose/page5
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Old 06-27-2013, 10:40 PM
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Yep been reading that one today.
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1. Backyard breeders. This are the guys that have one or two dogs that may or may not have AKC registrations and almost never have certs. This are the guys you see on the side of the street or in the location paper. never buy a puppy from these types ever. You will see prices from $250-$750.
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Sorry, didn't collect that...
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I just want a meat dog
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he say, he want some meat, dawg
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I posted a spill on this but deleted it as I'm not trying to arge with anyone here and appreciate the help you Guys have freely given me.

Lets just say I agree with what Wes said though. I see a whole lot of bashing going on in that thread.

Good bad or indifferent, Mike Stewart is doing something right.

If you have two dog that both can do the same work, WGAS if the dog was "forced" into doing the work or was praised into doing the work.

Too much intolerance of other ways of obtaining the same result in the training world it seems to me. I bet Mike and his trainers don't bash the "force" way near as much as force trainers bash the Wildrose way

Just my observation as a dumbass that knows nothing about training a dog.
You're just biased because you got that free book...
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Old 06-28-2013, 09:55 AM
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Ryan most the guys on there are going purely by facts of performance. Out of the large # of dogs born at wild rose the performance record is very poor at the competition level. Most these guys at rtf are field trial guys so that is there way of comparing.
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I'll go back and re read the thread but I didn't think anything was said about his training process, but rather their breedings.
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What do y'all think of this place?
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he's got a nice Ranger breeding for sale on the ground now.
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Ryan most the guys on there are going purely by facts of performance. Out of the large # of dogs born at wild rose the performance record is very poor at the competition level. Most these guys at rtf are field trial guys so that is there way of comparing.
This is the point. I don't think Wildrose is training for competition. I don't care what you sa, competition training is different. Just like HRC and AKC training is different.
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This is the point. I don't think Wildrose is training for competition. I don't care what you sa, competition training is different. Just like HRC and AKC training is different.
And what those guys are saying is that you can buy a better bred health/performance wise dog for less from some of the small independent breeders out there with FT lines.
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Out of all the hunt tests in the Southeast, Elaine told me she knows of two Wildrose dogs and was pretty sure they are at least HR.

I don't see how that's comparing apples to apples when it comes to performance in competitions.

I just have yet to understand the disdain for Mike Stewart and his dogs. I don't know if its the price he charges for "inferior" breedins or his brilliant marketing strategy that people hate.

All I see is he must be doing something right. He has a couple year waiting list for his "gentlemans gundogs" and I've yet to see another dog trainer on the cover of Forbes. That's all I was trying to say guys

The only two things that I question Is his limited registration on his bitch pups and the fact that if the dog isn't Wildrose bred. He don't want no part of it.
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This is the point. I don't think Wildrose is training for competition. I don't care what you sa, competition training is different. Just like HRC and AKC training is different.
Shouldn't be until mid way through transition. How would AKC training very from HRC training? Except for not talking at the line.
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