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Old 01-10-2012, 06:00 PM
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Matt,

Can you give us your definition of a Meat Dog. When you say you train meat dogs, to what point to you take their training before you consider them a meat dog.

There is no wrong answer here, just wondering what your take on it is. Everyone has a different meaning of "meat dog"

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Old 01-10-2012, 06:33 PM
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You know mine. And its the right answer.
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:44 PM
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The gatorb definition of a "good" Meat dog

Sits very still for long periods of time
Doesn't break
Marks well
Can handle on blinds when needed
Can be remote placed so you can move around swamp and hunt away from him if you need to.
Loves to pick up birds...
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:50 PM
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The gatorb definition of a "good" Meat dog

Sits very still for long periods of time
Doesn't break
Marks well
Can handle on blinds when needed
Can be remote placed so you can move around swamp and hunt away from him if you need to.
Loves to pick up birds...
why does the average hunter need any more than that? thats not a smart ass question I promise. Im just curious?

I know you guys want your dogs to "be all they can be" but seriously? at what point are yall satisfied in your dog and your training techniques and say ok, he/she is "finished"?

Other than the "fun" factor, why do guys need a champion field trial winning dog?
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:53 PM
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why does the average hunter need any more than that? thats not a smart ass question I promise. Im just curious?

I know you guys want your dogs to "be all they can be" but seriously? at what point are yall satisfied in your dog and your training techniques and say ok, he/she is "finished"?

Other than the "fun" factor, why do guys need a champion field trial winning dog?
Ryan,

they dont! What GatorB discribed is more than what most guys hunt with anyway. Most people think a meat dog is any dog that will go and get something that it sees fall. They are not steady to shot, they cant handle the dog on a blind and the dog sure doesnt know whistle commands.

And that too is fine if thats all they want. I just wondered how far Matt takes his dogs in training.

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Old 01-10-2012, 06:55 PM
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why does the average hunter need any more than that? thats not a smart ass question I promise. Im just curious?

I know you guys want your dogs to "be all they can be" but seriously? at what point are yall satisfied in your dog and your training techniques and say ok, he/she is "finished"?

Other than the "fun" factor, why do guys need a champion field trial winning dog?
I don't think the average hunter needs anymore than that Ryan. But I also don't think the majority of people define meat dog like that.

There are higher expectations that hunt test guys may have than the hunter on style.

Our group for the most part is trying to train our dogs to do the things trial guys would want.

I'm going to attempt to train Drake into a finished trial dog which will have a lot higher standards for the way he does things.
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:58 PM
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ok that makes sense to me fellas

what does "break" mean? he rushes to the bird before he is instructed to do so?

sorry for the GONish type newbie question Im just tryin to learn
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ok that makes sense to me fellas

what does "break" mean? he rushes to the bird before he is instructed to do so?

sorry for the GONish type newbie question Im just tryin to learn
Yes break is when he goes before sent. Sme dogs will break when they see birds some when they hear shots....etc.

All dogs are gonna mess up from time to time and break. It happens. Copper messed me up bad on a bunch of decoying gadwall early season but he hasn't broke since.
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why does the average hunter need any more than that? thats not a smart ass question I promise. Im just curious?

I know you guys want your dogs to "be all they can be" but seriously? at what point are yall satisfied in your dog and your training techniques and say ok, he/she is "finished"?

Other than the "fun" factor, why do guys need a champion field trial winning dog?
Example: Sunday I winged a snow and it sailed out across the field, maybe around 500yrds and the dog didn't see it. I lined my little knuckle head up and sent him. After going land water land a few times and crossing a few levees I had that bird in my hand. Without the proper training I would have had to walk out there and get the bird or sit there and nag and yell at the dog for something he had no clue about. With all of that going on do you think any birds would come near you?. It makes the hunt more successful with a well trained dog.
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Old 01-10-2012, 07:13 PM
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Yes break is when he goes before sent. Sme dogs will break when they see birds some when they hear shots....etc.

All dogs are gonna mess up from time to time and break. It happens. Copper messed me up bad on a bunch of decoying gadwall early season but he hasn't broke since.
It's not if the dog will break, it's when will he break... Mine broke for the first time this week. I caught him before he ever got to the bird corrected and made him sit in the blind and watch me pick the bird up. That was enough for him for a while I hope.
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Old 01-10-2012, 07:17 PM
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Example: Sunday I winged a snow and it sailed out across the field, maybe around 500yrds and the dog didn't see it. I lined my little knuckle head up and sent him. After going land water land a few times and crossing a few levees I had that bird in my hand. Without the proper training I would have had to walk out there and get the bird or sit there and nag and yell at the dog for something he had no clue about. With all of that going on do you think any birds would come near you?. It makes the hunt more successful with a well trained dog.
this is the exact reason I want a dog that will handle. We shot down some snows and I walked two miles picking up thoses birds!

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Old 01-10-2012, 07:18 PM
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It's not if the dog will break, it's when will he break... Mine broke for the first time this week. I caught him before he ever got to the bird corrected and made him sit in the blind and watch me pick the bird up. That was enough for him for a while I hope.
Cooper didnt get to move. I made him sit out in the water when i burned him for 20 more minutes picked up my stuff and finally released him to get up when i was halfway back to the truck. Lol
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Old 01-10-2012, 07:20 PM
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It makes the hunt more successful with a well trained dog.
Understood and this is basically above and beyond what "meat dog" would be capable of? in essence, a "meat dog" isnt really a well trained dog then?

again y'all, Im just curious and trying to learn here. I dont ask questions about retrievers anywhere else because I dont want to made to feel like a dumbazz.........some places are hell on the new guys.
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Old 01-10-2012, 07:23 PM
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Understood and this is basically above and beyond what "meat dog" would be capable of? in essence, a "meat dog" isnt really a well trained dog then?

again y'all, Im just curious and trying to learn here. I dont ask questions about retrievers anywhere else because I dont want to made to feel like a dumbazz.........some places are hell on the new guys.
No. Absolutely not. I think a meat dog can be a well trained dog that does everything i described. Plus i like that i can send him and handle him across a big dove field to steal Farrs doves. He generally can beat Farrs kids to his birds if he marks em. Lol
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Old 01-10-2012, 07:27 PM
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No. Absolutely not. I think a meat dog can be a well trained dog that does everything i described. Plus i like that i can send him and handle him across a big dove field to steal Farrs doves. He generally can beat Farrs kids to his birds if he marks em. Lol
Well I had a Arra3 to mark and retrieve mine and was glad to have him too I would have been screwed because the only dog on the field owner didnt wanna hunt beside the Gimp
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